autism link?

2008-04-30 21:23:58

The relationship between iron, Vitamin B6, Allergic food and brain function
is shown in figure 1. The hypothesis is that in genetically predisposed
individuals, the immune system is continuously attacking allergic proteins
mostly from food sources. At low levels of iron the immune response is low
and the immune system takes its time to remove the allergic protein that
migrate into various organs including brain. This is the classic anemic
condition and mind is feeble and less confidant. The mind gets easily
confused and dizzy especially after eating gluten, casein and other protein
rich foods. As the levels of dietary iron increases, the immune function
starts vigorously attacking food protein and the confusion, dizziness goes
away and mind becomes more alert and confident. This is the optimum level of
performance for that individual. As the iron levels go up even more the
immune reactions get more violent and the mind gets angry, violent and
hyperactive. These violent reactions are the root cause of nerve damage. Once
the levels of stored iron are high eliminating dietary Iron anole will not
show immediate results. In order to see any significant results the person
should be on low iron and low allergen diet for several months along with
Vitamin B6 to suppress the immune reactions. We recommend that mass
medication of the population with excessive nutrients in not suitable to all
individuals and the practice for fortification of infant food should be
immediately stopped. For graphic illustration please visit <A
HREF="http://www.geocities.com/upadhye10/Mechanism.html"
Autism.</A

Cholesterol is up, why????

2008-04-30 11:57:32

Anyone have any ideas as to why suddenly my daughter's cholesterol
could be up. The only thing that has changed is the addition of
ketoconazole and iron. She really doesn't eat a high fat diet. We
use coconut butter instead of butter and she eats kosher salami and
bacon. Could this be doing it or could there be a connection with
one of the meds? We have a phone consult in two weeks. The office
just told us to put her on a low fat diet. She eats such a limited
number of foods this is hard to do. Please help! Thanks, Terri

Reactivated Herpes Simplex Virus Tied To Bell's Palsy

2008-04-30 05:50:50

Title: Reactivated Herpes Simplex Virus Tied To Bell's Palsy
URL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=R
Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12218634&dopt=Abstract
Otol Neurotol 2002; Sep;23(5):779-83. "Secretion and Dynamics of Herpes
Simplex Virus in Tears and Saliva of Patients with Bell's Palsy"
12/04/2002 11:05:44 AM
By Anne MacLennan
Reactivation of herpes simplex virus-1 is involved in the pathogenesis of
Bell's Palsy, researchers in Japan have found. Indeed, in the early phase of
this disease, a reactivation of the virus may be generated even on the
unaffected side, suggests this study from the Department of Otolaryngology,
Nihon University School of Medicine, Tokyo. To clarify the direct link
between reactivation of herpes simplex virus (HSV) and Bell's palsy, Dr Y
Abiko and colleagues sought to detect the HSV genome in tear and saliva
specimens from 16 patients, quantify its number of copies and examine
time-course changes. The tear fluid and saliva from the submandibular gland
and the parotid gland were separately collected from both the affected and
unaffected sides at least two times. Overall, the researchers subjected 244
specimens to extraction of deoxyribonucleic acid, polymerase chain reaction
and microplate hybridisation. Herpes simplex virus-1 deoxyribonucleic acid
was detected in 38 specimens (11.8 percent) from five patients (31 percent),
with high detection (28.5 percent) obtained within two weeks after onset.
Detection at three weeks and later (2.8 percent) was significantly lower. In
three cases, deoxyribonucleic acid was also found on the unaffected side in
the initial phase of the disease. However, detection on that side (18.9
percent) was significantly lower than on the affected side (83.8 percent).
The number of copies of the HSV-one genome was large on the affected side
and early after the onset of the disease. Deoxyribonucleic acid was not
detected in any of the examined specimens from the remaining 11 cases. The
need remains for ongoing study to clarify other causes of Bell's Palsy,
these authors conclude.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=R
Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12218634&dopt=Abstract

research item from Schafer report

2008-04-30 04:36:08

In autism: Increased Serum Albumin, Gamma Globulin, Immunoglobulin IgG,
and
IgG2 and IgG4 .
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ui
ds=12455944&dopt=Abstract <- - address ends here
Croonenberghs J, Wauters A, Devreese K, Verkerk R, Scharpe S, Bosmans E,
Egyed B, Deboutte D, Maes M.
University Center of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, A. Z. M. and
Department of Medical Biochemistry, University of Antwerp, Wilrijk,
Clinical
Laboratory A. Z. Middelheim, Antwerp, The Netherlands.
BACKGROUND: Research on the biological pathophysiology of autism
has
found some evidence that immune alterations may play a role in the
pathophysiology of that illness.
As a consequence we expected to find that autism is accompanied by
abnormalities in the pattern obtained in serum protein electrophoresis
and
in the serum immunoglobulin (Ig) and IgG subclass profile.
METHOD: We examined whether subjects with autism showed changes in
total serum protein (TSP) and the serum concentrations of albumin,
alpha1
globulin, alpha2 globulin, beta globulin and gamma globulins, IgA, IgM
and
IgG and the IgG subclasses IgG 1, IgG2, IgG3 and IgG4, compared with
normal
controls.
RESULTS: We found significantly increased concentrations of TSP in
autistic subjects, which were attributable to increased serum
concentrations
of albumin and gamma globulin.
Serum IgG, IgG2 and IgG4 were also significantly raised.
In autism there were significant and positive correlations between
social problems and TSP and serum gamma globulin and between withdrawal
symptoms and TSP and serum albumin and IgG.
CONCLUSIONS: The results suggest that autism is characterized by
increased TSP, a unique pattern obtained in serum protein
electrophoresis,
i.e. increased serum albumin and IgG, and by a specific IgG subclass
profile, i.e. increased serum IgG2 and IgG4.
The increased serum concentrations of IgGs in autism may point
towards
an underlying autoimmune disorder and/or an enhanced susceptibility to
infections resulting in chronic viral infections, whereas the IgG
subclass
skewing may reflect different cytokine-dependent influences on
autoimmune B
cells and their products.
PMID: 12455944 [PubMed - in process]

[NIDS] How To Cure Autism

2008-04-29 17:26:11

Will you pass it to me? :) (direct:
ccoleman5331@...)
--- Doug Susan McCreary <dmccreary@...

Re: [NIDS] NIDS treatment

2008-04-29 14:33:35

Not to my knowledge. Someone else want to chime in here?
Stephanie

[NIDS] How To Cure Autism

2008-04-29 03:24:52

Hey Tracy,
Glad to hear from ya. If it were only that easy, eh?
I'm still passing around your retardedment joke from a yeat ago. :o)
Susan

NIDS treatment

2008-04-29 01:43:43

is ther any difference in treatment for kids who are non-verbal? I
am thinking about seeing Dr Goldburg.

[NIDS] How To Cure Autism

2008-04-28 23:39:04

Hey its not funny- we did the aba, paid for after hours help, have an OT, travel
everywhere and were part of the UCSF secretin trials. And he's still autistic.
If green gummies would work- we'd do it!

[NIDS] How To Cure Autism

2008-04-28 17:46:18

<<OK, will you be putting up a web site on this green gummy autism cure?
That would be great because that sounds like the easiest thing so far...
Let me do the first testimonial: Gummy bears cured my son's autism. All we
did was feed him 5 Gummy bears with each meal oh ...and did 40 hours a week
of one-on-one ABA for 5 years.
Couldn't resist.
Tracy
Would you guys stop clogging up the list with all of this silliness! :-)

Green Gummies

2008-04-28 06:55:50

Doug and Susan,
You may have discovered a phenomena with great significance. Let us not
forget the powers of the green m&m's........
Sharon <-------grinning

Re: [NIDS] Dr. Of How To Cure Autism

2008-04-28 05:06:58

That went "Woosh!" right over my head. What was
that? :)

GREAT chocolate pudding recipe!!!!

2008-04-28 00:00:01

Hi list!
In the wake (violins, please) of the tragic discontinuation of the Imagine Foods
puddings, and the fact that my son roundly rejected my attempts at providing
substitutes for his adored O'Soy Yogurt (he now has soy sensitivity), I did a
search for a good, *easy* non-diary pudding recipe and found a winner!
Note: Instead of the maple syrup, I made a solution of xylitol and water and
added a small amount of fake maple syrup for flavor, because my supply of
no-sugar maple syrup is low at the moment.
NON-DAIRY CHOCOLATE PUDDING
1 - 1/2 cups soy or rice milk (can be full fat or low fat)
3 Tbsp. cornstarch
1/4 teaspoon vanilla
1/4 cup maple syrup (or more, to taste. I found I needed more.)
1/4 c. cocoa powder
Whisk all ingredients together in a pot, over medium heat, stirring constatnly
until pudding thickens. Pour into small serving dishes and chill.
Variations: Use Carob powder instead of cocoa powder.
This pudding is smooth and creamy and absolutely wonderful. Perhaps the same
recipe can be tried with other flavors????
Donna

Genetics &amp; Autism

2008-04-27 13:28:07

Here is something I picked up on the me-list. I did
think the bit about SSRIs was interesting but alas, I
still think that *for my child* they have not been
particularly useful.- A.C.
The Hunt for Autism Genes:
A Conversation With Researcher Ed Cook, M.D.
by Catherine Johnson
You have to kiss a lot of frogs to get a prince," Ed
Cook says, remembering the time he and partner Eric
Courchesne thought they had found the perfect candidate
gene for autism. The gene-now known to cause
Angelman's syndrome-looked remarkably promising: it
expressed itself only in the hippocampus and in the
Purkinje cells of the cerebellum, two areas of the
brain known to be affected in autism. How could it not
have something to do with the disorder?
But so far it hasn't panned out.
For gene-hunters like Cook and his colleagues,
brilliant hypotheses that don't work are more the rule
than the exception. So it is impossible to exaggerate
the excitement generated among autism researchers when,
in just the course of the past couple of years, several
leads finally began to pay off.
And thus far Ed Cook, of the University of Chicago,
along with department chair Bennett Leventhal; Cathy
Lord, co-creator of the Autism Diagnostic
Interview;Valerie Lindgren, the team's cytogeneticist;
and Courchesne and his group are central figures in the
tale. Cook and his colleagues are the first to report a
gene-not just a region on a chromosome, but a single
gene-related to autism. This is the famous (or
infamous, considering how slippery the thing has been
so far) serotonin transporter gene, located on
chromosome 17. Now, with his new findings concerning a
connection between chromosome 15 and autism, Cook and
his colleagues have published another paper that has
placed the field of autism research squarely within one
of the hottest areas of genetics research today.
Genetics 101
Autism is now known to be one of the most genetic of
all genetic disorders. To many of us this news has come
as a shock; in my own family's case my husband and I
were told, in 1991, that though "statistically" our
chance of having a second child with autism was
approximately 3%, in actual practice, none of the
genetic counselors on staff at the major urban hospital
handling our case had ever seen a
family with more than one child with autism. Needless
to say, we weren't happy when, just a couple of years
later, we started to hear that autism was not only
"genetic" but that it was among the most strongly
genetic disorders known to the scientific community.
Today, depending upon whom you ask, parents are told
that the chance of having a second child with
autism varies anywhere from 5 to 10%-with a roughly 25%
chance of having children with related problems. In the
meantime we had gone on to have twins, one of
whom-surprise-is indeed autistic. We parents need the
science to be moving a great deal faster than it is.
Still, these percentages are not quite as bad as they
sound. To begin with, Susan Folstein, the first
researcher to study identi-cal twins with autism,
believes that the 10% figure will tur out to be wrong;
her work tells her that the correct figure will
probably be 7 to 8% (Cook uses a range of 5 to 9%).
Still too high, but not 10%. And of course this also
means that a family's chance of the next child not
being autistic is 90 to 95%; the odds are in parents'
favor that it won't happen again.
Perhaps more importantly, the 25% figure for related
problems does not mean that 25% of a family's
non-autistic children will have severe and
life-altering problems. Some of these kids will have
problems with spelling, for instance, and that will be
the end of it. Some of them will be poor readers who
will improve with age, as almost all dyslexics
do with proper intervention. Only about 15% will show
social reticence, and this won't be social reticence at
the level of HFA or Asperger's.
And some of these "differences" in the siblings of
children with autism will actually be beneficial.
In Folstein's words, "I think that some of these
various traits are valuable traits-or at least they are
not in themselves bad things. A case of autism results
when you get all of them together. They don't
just add up; instead, whatever negative effects they
have multiply. "
In other words, the real problem for parents of a child
with autism is the 7 to 8% chance of having a second
child with autism- --not the 25% chance of having a
child who can't spell, or who isn't the life of the
party.
One last note. As parents, you will continue to see the
3% figure cited as the "prevalence rate" in siblings.
What this means is that when researchers go out and
simply count how many families have more than one
autistic child, they find that approximately 3% (some
say 3 to 5%) of families with one child with autism
also have another child with autism. However, from the
perspective of family planning, the 3 to 5% range
underestimates the danger. The true risk of having a
second child with autism should be the "recurrence
rate," which is 7 to 8% (or 5 to 9%,
depending upon the source). The reason there are fewer
"multiplex" families than we would expect is that
families who have a seriously handicapped young
child-any handicap, not just autism-frequently stop
having children. Researchers call this on "stoppage,"
and it obviously lowers the number of autistic siblings
in families. If you stop having children after having a
child with autism-or choose to have
fewer than you would have otherwise- you limit the
population. Sadly, the real risk of having a second
child with autism is the higher figure.
We know that autism is highly genetic through studies
of identical twins in which the index twin has been
diagnosed with the disorder. Recent studies, such as
that of Bailey, et. al., (1995), have found that the
odds of a "co-twin" also having autism are as high as
73%; that is, if the index twin is autistic, there is a
73% chance that his or her co-twin will be, too. This
is the "concordance" rate.
Schizophrenia, by contrast, which is understood by all
to be a genetic disorder, has a 46% concordance rate.
And diabetes, another complex disease passed down
through generations, has only a 30% to 50%
concordance rate, with a risk to siblings of 6%. So 73%
clinches it, particularly when you compare this figure
to the rate in the studies of fraternal, or
non-identical, twins which is extremely low. (In both
the
original group of fraternal twins, studied by Folstein,
et. al., and the group recruited later by Bailey, et.
al., none of the fraternal twins
were concordant for autism.)
But as it turns out, the 73% concordance rate for
autism is not the whole story. When researchers went
back to revisit the original twins from the very first
twin study, who were now grown, they discovered that
the typical twins were no longer quite so typical. Most
of them, in one
researcher's words, had "something genetic" going on.
They were not
autistic; they would not even qualify for the label
"high-functioning
autistic" or "Asperger's." But only 1 of 7 had married
and was living
independently, and just 3 had managed to achieve
full-time employment.
Looking at these grown non-autistic twins of index
twins with autism,
the researchers concluded that the concordance rate for
this group was
60% for a diagnosis of autism-but 92% for "a broader
spectrum of related
cognitive or social abnormalities."
Thus, autism may well be more strongly influenced by
genetic makeup than
schizophrenia, possibly even more strongly genetic than
manic
depression, which was previously thought to be the most
powerfully
genetic of all the mental illnesses.
This much makes sense, but for parents confronting such
data the
immediate question is: if our child inherited his
autism from us, why
aren't we autistic?
The simple answer is that autism is a "complex
disorder"; in many or
most cases it is "oligogenic," meaning that it takes
more than one gene
to develop the disorder. Say autism requires a precise
combination of 5
genes: if a husband has three of these genes and his
wife has two, their
child can be autistic while they themselves are not.
Moreover, some of
the 5 genes may be dominant, others recessive-which
would mean that for
the recessive gene the child would have to inherit two
copies, one from
each parent.
Alternatively, either husband or wife-or both-could
have some symptoms
of autism, but not enough to actually be autistic. One
spouse might have
had a language delay as a child, one spouse might be
obsessive, one
might be anxious or depressive-any or all of these
traits might signal
the presence of a gene or genes for autism. A student
of Cook's recently
constructed a Venn diagram with five intersecting
circles, each circle
representing a gene for autism. She showed that at the
point where all
five circles intersect you get autism, but at the point
where only 3
circles intersect you get something else, at the point
where two circles
intersect you see a different symptom, and so on.
But Cook says what is most interesting to him is that
you can also show
that it would be possible to have four of the
intersecting circles and
yet show no symptoms at all. This is a particularly
intriguing
possibility in terms of what it would take to treat or
to cure some
cases of autism: if it is possible to have four autism
genes with no
symptoms, theoretically all you would need to treat is
the one gene that
"tips" the person into the disorder. A child or adult
with autism, after
having just this one gene remediated, could-with proper
education and
behavioral support-climb out of his autism even though
four of his
autism genes are still fully functional.
Which brings us to another critical point concerning
"bad" genes and the
mischief they work in human beings: the very same gene
can have variable
"expression" from one person to another. A really bad
gene, for a
progressive, wasting disorder, say, might send one
child to an early
death, while leaving another child only minimally
affected.
This is why you can have such incredible variation in
identical twins,
who share the same genes. Identical twins are
essentially clones, and
yet one twin can suffer from a terrible genetic
disorder while the other
does not (although this is rare). Cook cites the even
more startling
case of identical octuplet mice who have had a critical
gene "knocked
out" or removed from their genotype. When you have
eight genetically
identical baby mice, they are all phenotypically
different-they come out
looking different. Cook recalls a set of identical
octuplets who had a
genetic mutation that should have caused the mice to be
born with
malformed ears. Some of the mice had no ears, but
others had just one
ear missing, on one side; still others had one ear
missing on the other
side; and another one or two had some deformities to
the ear, but only
very mild. "What this tells us," says Cook, "is that
there's something
that's not genetic about even very simple developmental
biology-it could
be as simple as where the mouse was carried in the
womb, but we often
don't know. This is an example where genetics may
provide focused
approaches to studying environmental effects."
In fact, data on non-concordant identical twins may one
day tell us how
to use the environment to prevent autism in the first
place. Most of us,
when we hear the word "prevention," think
"abortion"-but abortion is a
drastic and tragic means of preventing a genetic
disorder. Down the line
we may be able to use the environment to protect
children with autism
genes in the same way the environment may have
protected Folstein's
non-concordant twins. Remember: these are children who
carry all of the
genes for autism-who are genetically identical to their
co-twins who do
have autism-and yet they themselves are not autistic.
When we know why,
we may be able to use this knowledge.
Getting back to parents: a parent could have all kinds
of autism genes,
and yet have been lucky enough that they were not
expressed in him or
her. Instead, the bad luck hits his child. Even more
intriguing: a
parent might carry autism genes that have actually
benefited him in his
own life-given him special skills or talents he would
not have had
otherwise. Cook himself pointed out, after reading this
paragraph, that
he wouldn't have been able to spend his weekend
finishing the team's
latest updated analysis without being willing to give
up social contact
and focus on the details of his work "in a somewhat
repetitive manner. "
This is easily the kind of useful and productive
ability that could come
from an autism gene that doesn't result in autism.
Last but not least, the parents could have few to none
of the autism
genes themselves, and yet still end up with an autistic
child because of
random mutations that take place during the complicated
and sometimes
perilous process of recombination that unites the
mother's DNA with the
father's. (And of course the reality of environmental
pollutants and
toxins adds another dimension to the story: a child can
become autistic
because of a spontaneous mutation in his parents' genes
caused by a
virus or a toxin.)
Why We Need to Find the Genes
Most of us were taught, in high school or college, that
genes are the
blueprint for the human organism. Every middle-aged
college graduate
remembers the drill for eye color: you inherit a gene
for blue eyes from
your father, a gene for brown eyes from your mother (or
vice versa) and
bang: you've got brown eyes, end of story. In fact, eye
color is more
complicated than that, but this is what our college
professors described
to us as the one-gene-one-trait law of "Mendelian"
genetics. In the
popular view of genetics, a baby is conceived, its
genes make it who it
will be, and that's it.
As a result, most of us don't immediately see what is
to be gained by
discovering the genes for autism other than a prenatal
test like the one
for Down syndrome. What good does it do, for that
individual child, to
find out that a gene located on chromosome 15 may have
caused him or her
to be born autistic?
The answer is that finding the genes for autism may
well mean finding
treatments or cures for autism.
This is why. Broadly speaking-very broadly-there are
two different
classes of genes: "developmental" genes, and "operating
system" genes.
Developmental genes are the genes that guide the baby's
development in
the womb (though some are active throughout life). The
genes that
determine eye color are developmental genes.
Developmental genes turn
on, do what they were designed to do, then turn off and
are not heard
from again (except, interestingly, in cases of cancer
which some
re-searchers believe result from old developmental
genes accidentally
becoming active again and causing out-of-control cell
growth).
Operating-system genes are different: operating system
genes are the
genes that are operating all day long; they are the
genes that underlie
and make possible everything we do. My own "operating
system" genes make
it possible for me to write this page; your
operating-system genes make
it possible for you to read this page. Other "system"
genes make it
possible for our lungs to breathe air, our hearts to
pump blood, and our
muscles to maintain a seated position in the meantime.
Everything we do
in life is "run" by genes.
This is where the possibility for treatment comes in.
But first: another
basic principle. Each gene "codes for"-or creates-one
or more proteins.
These proteins then go out to do their job: they might
foster a chemical
reaction in the brain or gut or heart or anywhere in
the body; they
might serve as receptors to allow one cell to receive a
message from
another cell; they might turn on another gene, which
will produce
another protein. But whatever they do in the body,
proteins have to be
shaped correctly in order to work. Just one tiny flaw
in the gene can
result in a fatal flaw in the structure of the protein.
(It doesn't have
to; a gene can undergo mutations that are entirely
harmless. But some
mutations are deadly. ) Babies born with PKU, for
instance, are missing
one enzyme, the enzyme that metabolizes phenylalanine,
an ordinary amino
acid found in food. Enzymes are made of proteins, and
for PKU babies,
that one missing enzyme, due to one mutated gene,
causes profound mental
retardation unless identified early so that dietary
changes can prevent
this fate. (For the sake of accuracy I should mention
that PKU can be
caused by either one of two different genes. But both
genes cause the
disorder alone, neither requiring the presence of the
other.)
Or-and this has been covered extensively in the
press-they might take
the route of creating a gene therapy that would replace
the bad gene
with a new, good one. However, what is not often
reported is the fact
that gene therapy is currently the least attractive of
these options,
because it is the most complex-needlessly complex, in
the view of many.
Because genes not only produce proteins, but can also
be turned off or
on or slowed down or speeded up by proteins, most
biotechnology
companies are instead trying to create medications that
will, like
proteins, modify the gene's action. As Ed Cook says,
"Gene therapy is
something you turn to when you don't think you'll find
an orally
administered, more typical medication. "
In all likelihood, autism will involve both mutated
operating system
genes and mutated developmental genes. Patty Rodier of
the University of
Rochester is looking into a connection between the Hox
genes and autism
(her work is covered in the Summer 1997 issue of
NAARRATIVE. ) A
mutation in a developmental gene is more worrisome,
because the
developmental genes guide the creation of the brain in
the first place,
determining its structure. When a developmental gene is
damaged, the
brain ends up misformed -essentially, the baby is born
with a birth
defect of the brain. Many of the "thalidomide" babies
of the 1960s were
born not only with birth defects of the limbs and ears,
but also with
birth defects in the structure of their brains that
caused them to have
autism. This is not reason to lose hope, however,
because structural
differences in the brain can be, and have been, treated
with medication
in other brain disorders like schizophrenia and
Parkinson's disease.
More on this later.
The Serotonin Gene
The serotonin transporter gene has been a puzzler. Cook
and his team
looked at genes controlling serotonin in the first
place because one of
the most robust findings in the biochemistry of autism
has been that
approximately one quarter to one third of people with
autism show
abnormally high levels of serotonin in the blood. And
sure enough, Cook
and his team found, in three separate studies, a
statistically
significant association between autism and a shortened
version of the
promoter of the serotonin transporter gene, HTT.
However, while it was no surprise to find a serotonin
gene involved in
autism, it did surprise everyone involved that the
short form of HTT
turned up in all three studies. In simple terms, the
"transporter"
portion of the gene transports serotonin inside blood
cells-and the long
form is better at doing this than the short. Thus if
people with autism
have more serotonin inside their blood cells than
average, which they
do, you would expect that people with autism would also
have higher
levels of the long transporter than typical people. But
this is not what
Cook's three studies found.
The precise relationship between serotonin in the blood
and serotonin in
the brain is complicated, of course, but basically
blood cells are
analogous to brain cells-which means that the long form
of the
transporter would lead to more serotonin inside the
brain cells, and
less serotonin outside the brain cells. Generally
speaking (and again
this is a simplification) we want good levels of
serotonin outside our
brain cells where it is free to work its magic. All of
the "SSRIs"
(selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors), -Prozac,
Paxil, Zoloft and
Luvox-are thought to work by increasing the level of
serotonin in the
spaces, or synapses, between brain cells.
HTT was the first susceptibility gene for autism found
using appropriate
family-based controls, and it was big news. Without
consulting Cook, the
University of Chicago dispatched a press release to
EurekaNet asking
them to post it on May 1, the day of the paper's
release. Just days
before the release was to be posted, word reached Cook
that Fritz
Poutska, Annemarie Poutska, and K. Peter Lesch's group
in Germany had
found no evidence either way, for short or long form
being associated
with autism. Cook contacted Eureka at once, but it was
too late; for
some reason the service did not have a provision for
altering an
announcement just before it was scheduled to be posted,
and thus all the
world was given the impression that Cook and his team
considered their
finding to be absolute. Cook has been trying to explain
the provisional
nature of published research to parents and journalists
ever since,
causing his wife, in their Christmas letter, to call
him "the boy who
cried gene." (Though Cook fondly points out to his wife
that she said
the same thing about a gene for ADHD he and his
colleagues identified a
few years back which has now been replicated twice,
albeit after a
two-year delay . . . )
Naturally, these conflicting reports have led to
confusion among parents
trying to follow the science: is the HTT gene involved
in autism or not?
The answer, for the time being, is "maybe." Eric
Courchesne speculates
about where these findings may lead down the road:
"We're uncertain whether there is an association
between autism and the
short variant, or whether the short variant is a
signpost that there is
something somewhere else on that gene that is the real
problem. Both
groups are wondering whether these two findings may be
telling us that
it's not long vs. short that matters; maybe it's not
the promoter
region, but somewhere else in the gene that we should
be looking. "
In other words, for parents, clinicians, and
researchers alike the
message is: stay tuned.
In the meantime, it is possible to draw some useful,
although tentative,
conclusions from work on HTT. To begin with, the HTT
gene is probably
normal; it is not a mutation. This means that it does
not cause autism
in and of itself, but may instead amplify the effects
of mutations that
do cause the disorder. The good news is that since the
HTT gene is a
normal variant (also called an "allele") we can use
data collected from
non-autistic people to think about people with autism.
In the normal population the short form is extremely
common: over 60% of
the general population carries at least one shortened
form; 16% carry
two. Furthermore, generally speaking, the short form is
dominant over
the long form: if you have one short and one long,
behaviorally you'll
act more "short" than "long." (Though researchers do
not yet know
whether the short is always dominant in all tissues of
the body, or
whether having two shorts is different behaviorally and
emotionally from
having one long and one short. )
In any case, the extremely common short form is
associated with higher
levels of normal anxiety. That is, on average, people
who have the
shortened form are more anxious than people who have
two longs, but they
are not pathologically anxious; they do not qualify for
a diagnosis of
generalized anxiety disorder (GAD), unless of course
they do for other
reasons. Ask a room filled with 500 people, half with
the short form and
half with the long, how they feel about speaking in
public, and the
group with the short form is going to be more anxious
on average-though
of course there will be plenty of "short-form" people
with low anxiety,
as well as "long-form" people with high anxiety.
Nothing is absolute.
At this point, of course, any parent reading this
account may be feeling
confusion setting in for real, since many of us do see
a great deal of
anxiety in our autistic children-why shouldn't the
short form,
associated with higher anxiety, be exactly what
researchers expected to
see?
The answer is that, for the time being, there is no
answer. That's the
difference between designing a hypothesis according to
behavioral data
(autistic people have high anxiety) versus designing a
hypothesis
according to physiological data (autistic people have
high blood
serotonin). As we've said: the research is extremely
complex.
"...serotonin may be involved in autistic learning and
social deficits
as well as in mood and aggression. This is an exciting
possibility given
that the large pharmaceutical companies...are spending
billions trying
to develop new and better serotonin medications."
For his part, Cook, who is a clinician as well as a
geneticist, has
given a great deal of thought to what these findings
may mean directly,
in day to day life, for the children he sees: "My
latest hunch is that
the short/long distinction may be related to
aggression. Aggression is
one aspect of autism we don't currently have ratings of
in our samples,
because as a group we've been appropriately focused on
whether our kids
did or did not have autism, and there is nothing about
aggression that
is diagnostic of autism. The most aggressive people in
the world, the
kids with childhood onset conduct disorder, don't have
a touch of autism. "
Fortunately, we know that medications that affect the
serotonin
sys-tem-the SSRIs, the older antidepressant Desyrel,
and atypical
antipsychotics like Risperdal-treat anger,
irritability, and aggression
in many clinical populations, including people with
autism, and this is
where Cook sees the HTT gene findings as eventually
being useful:
"What I'm most interested in with this gene is whether
it will give us a
way to predict what dose of an SSRI a child needs. Some
of these drugs
are metabolized by enzymes that vary a great deal in
the population. So
in 90% of children and adults with autism the usual
administration dose
may make sense, but the other 10% might be completely
different. There
isn't a real predictable relationship between blood
serotonin levels and
clinical response, and I think there's a good chance
we'll get some
practical clinical data from this research soon. "
Apart from this, the serotonin-autism connection may
give us clues to
other aspects of autism quite apart from anger and
aggression. Cook
again, "In broad strokes, if there's more mental
retardation, there's
higher serotonin-though we do see high-functioning kids
with high
serotonin as well. "
Which points to the very real possibility that
serotonin may be involved
in autistic learning and social deficits as well as in
mood and
aggression. This is an exciting possibility given that
the large
pharmaceutical companies (which smaller start-up
biotechnology companies
call the "big pharmas") are spending billions trying to
develop new and
better serotonin medications.
Cook explains:
"Right now there are limits to how high you can push
the serotonin
system. If you push the dose too high you get a
worsening of symptoms-in
depression, autism, or any problem you're treating-and
that's usually
because you're triggering the 'autoreceptors.' The
autoreceptors are
like a thermostat in the system: they say, 'Oh-oh,
there's too much
serotonin, I have to shut the system down. '"
In other words, push the dose too high and you end up
with less
serotonin in the synapses, not more. Up to a point, an
SSRI like Prozac
will increase the amount of serotonin in the synapse;
after that point
the autoreceptors turn on and start pulling serotonin
back out of the
synapse.
Fortunately, the big pharmas are working feverishly to
find a way around
this barrier-not on behalf of people with autism, but
in order to help
people with depression, schizophrenia,
obsessive-compulsive disorder,
and other anxiety disorders.
Cook says:
"A lot of people are trying to figure out how to get
around the
autoreceptors, either to get a faster antidepressant
response or to
treat resistant depression. One model of doing this
that has been shown
to reduce the time to antidepressant response and treat
non-responders
is to add pindolol to the SSRI. Pindolol is a beta
blocker normally
prescribed for hypertension, but it has the 'impure'
effect of also
blocking the serotonin autoreceptors."
Unfortunately, when Cook has tried this combination in
a few of his
patients with autism, he has not seen any improvement.
But he's
confident that sooner rather than later we'll have
something that can
block the serotonin autoreceptors in our kids:
"It's possible that our understanding of the serotonin
system is
insufficient, but I'm very excited because Prozac is
coming off patent
this year or next, so Eli Lilly has to come up with
something else. And
when they do, we could start to see medications that
can treat social
and learning issues, too. " [Editor's note: See C. T.
Gordon's article
on page 6 for another view on SSRI treatment of autism]
Trouble on Chromosome 15
"This is the hottest story in autism genetics," says
Eric Courchesne,
speaking of the recent confirmation of a link between
autism and
chromosome 15-a connection that has now been found by
two separate teams
in three separate studies. With chromosome 15, we move
directly into
genes affecting the cerebellum, one of the main brain
structures that
UCSD's Courchesne (as well as, in Boston, Margaret
Bauman, and earlier,
at UCLA, Ed Ritvo) has found to be affected in cases of
autism.
First off, it's important to remember that with
chromosome 15 we are
talking about a chromosome, not a gene. Chromosomes are
the squiggly
lines expectant parents see on their amniocentesis
reports; the baby's
100,000 separate genes lie on these 46 chromosomes
(which are arranged
in 23 pairs, one from the mother, one from the father).
The new finding on chromosome 15 is of an affected
region on that
chromosome- a region that does not "look right." This
puts the
chromosome 15 finding in a different category from HTT:
as Courchesne
puts it, "I would bet a dinner at the nicest restaurant
in San Francisco
that this is a mutation, not a normal variant."
He and Cook looked at Chromosome 15 because Christopher
Gillberg, author
of The Biology of the Autistic Syndromes, suggested
that 15 would have
problems. In 1991 he reported several cases of autistic
people with
duplications of genetic material on 15. Sure enough,
Gillberg was right.
And while often in the history of "behavioral" genetics
initial findings
have not been replicated, so far this one has.
The biggest news about chromosome 15-the finding that
suddenly places
autism research in one of the hottest areas of all
genetics research-is
that children who develop autism due to an anomaly on
chromosome 15 do
so only if they received the anomaly from their
mothers. In other words,
for the first time ever, researchers have established a
mode of
transmission of autism-in this case, through the
mother, not through the
father. (Cook says fathers will get equal time once all
the genes are
discovered; it just so happens that this first anomaly
comes from the mom.)
In the science of genetics this phenomenon is called
"imprinting," and
it is one of the most exciting-and most active- areas
in the field
today. Courchesne explains: "Imprinting refers to the
concept that the
gene will become differentially active-or
"expressed"-based on whether
it came from the father or the mother. Some genes
remember where they
came from; they care whether they came from the mother
or whether they
came from the father. And that "memory" determines
whether or not they
are expressed in the child. "
With a maternally-expressed gene (or mutation) the gene
has to come from
the mother in order to be expressed in the child. If
the child gets the
exact same mutation from his or her father, nothing
happens; the
mutation is not expressed. With a paternally-expressed
gene it's the
opposite. The child has to inherit the gene or mutation
from his father
in order to have the traits that gene causes. Otherwise
the mutation
remains silent.
This is exactly what Courchesne and Cook found in the
first family with
the chromosome 15 abnormality whom they studied
closely. There were
three children, a girl with classic autism, a boy with
atypical autism,
and a third child, a girl, who was developing
typically. (The unaffected
sister was actually a step-sibling; the mother had
remarried before
conceiving her.) Both of the affected children had a
duplication of
material on chromosome 15. When Cook looked at the
mother and the father
of these two children he found that the father's
chromosome 15 was
normal; it was the mother who had the duplication.
But the mother herself was completely average; she
showed no signs of
autism at all, not even subtle ones. Cook then went
back to her parents,
and found that she had inherited the abnormal
chromosome from her
father-whose own version of 15 was normal. In the
transmission of 15
from father to daughter, the chromosome had undergone a
spontaneous
rearrangement, which the daughter then passed on to her
own children.
The mom was normal because she had received the
mutation from her dad;
if she had received it from her mother, in all
likelihood she would have
been autistic, too.
Cook and Courchesne have now looked at 140 children
with autism in all,
and have found one more, a boy, with a duplication on
15. He inherited
the duplication from his mother- who did not have the
mutation herself.
In this case the duplication arose "de novo" when the
particular egg
that was to become this boy was originally formed many
years ago. (Which
means that this mother's chance of having a second
child with autism is
near zero, since the duplication on 15 cropped up
simply as a random
mutation in a random egg). The 2-out-of-140 rate may be
low, of course,
because at this point researchers are dealing with
anomalies on
chromosome 15 so large they can be seen under a
microscope- or picked up
by having 3 alleles at a locus instead of the normal 2.
Any of the other
138 children could also have duplications on 15 that
are too small to be
picked up in this way. (One note: in all, Cook and his
group have found
3 children with the chromosome 15 duplication: the
brother and sister
from the first family, and then the boy whose mother
did not have the
duplication. But the official figure is 2-out-of-140
instead of
3-out-of-140 because the one very high-functioning boy
was too mildly
affected to meet the diagnostic criteria for inclusion
in the 140. The
research team picked him up by accident, after they
found the
duplication in his sister and so decided to look at the
whole family. )
Interestingly, further evidence for
maternally-imprinted duplications on
chromosome 15 has just come from Browne's team in
England, which has
been studying the genetics of language disorders. They,
too, found that
the genes they were looking at had to come from the
mother in order to
produce a language disorder in the child. When their
paper recently
appeared in the December 1997 issue of the American
Journal of Human
Genetics, the authors mentioned Cook and Courchesne's
paper and said
that while they hadn't been looking for autism, now
they would.
And finally, Cook's work has been duplicated and
extended in the
laboratory of Margaret Pericak-Vance (an expert in
gene-mapping and 1997
NAAR Research Award winner) at Duke Univeristy.
Previously Pericak-Vance
had also found anomalies on 15; she has now replicated
the maternal
inheritance, and has added two important pieces to the
puzzle:
1. Pericak-Vance found an "increase in recombination"
on chromosome 15
in families with autism. "Every time people have a
baby," Pericak-Vance
explains, "it's like a deck of cards being shuffled. "
Say you have a
deck of cards with all four suits separated out from
each other, and the
numbers put in order. Then you shuffle that deck of
cards once. The
families that end up with an autistic child will show a
much more
pronounced "reshuffling" than the families that end up
with a
non-autistic child. In physical terms, Pericak-Vance
and her team found
that the autistic person's markers on chromosome 15
appear further apart
than they are in the typical person. And: this
difference came from the
mother.
2. Having confirmed Cook's findings, Pericak-Vance then
looked at
chromosome 15 in families with a different neurological
disorder,
unrelated to autism. She found that in these families,
this region of
chromosome 15 was normal, further evidence that the
duplication on
chromosome 15 is specific to autism-not a general
genetic anomaly you
might find in many brain-based problems. More evidence
for 15. (Cook,
too, has a paper in press in which his team looked for
duplications on
15 in over 250 non-autistic children with moderate to
profound mental
retardation, and did not find any duplications on
chromosome 15,
although they did find 4 cases of Angelman syndrome in
which there was a
deletion of the same portion of chromosome 15 that is
duplicated in
autism. )
Pericak-Vance notes that there are a number of
different possibilities
as to what could cause this anomaly. You might see
perfectly normal
genes that for some reason have been duplicated, giving
the child an
extra copy. Having extra copies of otherwise normal
genes can be very
damaging to the organism. This is the problem in Down
syndrome. Or you
might see some kind of incorrect rearrangement of
otherwise normal
genes; you might see a mutated gene that is causing the
chromosomes to
break and reshuffle. There are other possibilities as
well.
Time will tell-and most researchers feel we'll know
sooner rather than
later. The next step is to pinpoint a narrower region
on the chromosome,
or a single gene within this region that is key to the
disorder. Ed
Cook's prediction: "Within the next two years there's
going to be some
very hot and definitive information about specific
genes involved in
autism."
Where Does Your Child Fit In?
At present we can't tell the autistic children who have
chromosome 15
duplications from the ones who don't simply by looking
at them. However,
there do seem to be characteristics specific to these
kids. "The one I'm
sure of," Cook says, "is increased epilepsy and
epileptiform EEGs. One
autistic woman we studied didn't have her first seizure
until her late
teens, but she had abnormal EEGs as a child in the way
autistic kids
often do. "
The chromosome 15 children studied so far also show
regression. Between
12 and 24 months in their development, they lost
skills. As well, these
children have low muscle tone. "They walk on time,"
Cook says, "and they
can eat OK; it's not severe. But they might have a
little trouble
holding their heads up as infants, and show a history
of low tone in
other ways. Most kids with autism aren't like that, so
the floppy ones
stand out a little bit. " He continues: "A lot of them
visually look
like Fragile X, with hyperextensibility of the joints,
double-jointedness, and ears that may be a bit longer
than normal, and
incorrectly 'rotated' backward. "
As preliminary as these impressions are, they are
extremely significant
for any parent of an autistic child who is
contemplating having another
baby. Cook gives this advice to parents: "You can find
this on an amnio,
but most labs don't do it. You have to look very
carefully. But people
who are trying to get pregnant now, and already have
one autistic child,
should look for it. It's much more important than
looking for Fragile X,
though we still recommend checking for Fragile X, too."
Ed Cook's prediction: "Within the next two years
there's going to be
some very hot and definitive information about specific
genes involved
in autism."
Bear in mind, of course, that any lab that agrees to
look for a
duplication on chromosome 15 is going to come up with a
large number of
"false negatives," since at this point all anyone can
look for is an
anomaly large enough to be seen under a microscope.
Bear in mind, too,
that we don't know what a chromosome 15 duplication
found on an
amniocentesis is going to look like in the actual
child. Of the two
original children Cook and Courchesne studied, the
sister was much more
severely autistic than her brother, who was so mildly
affected that the
school system did not want to provide him with
services. His IQ,
language, and academic performance were normal, and the
school system
was not concerned with his narrow interests or poor
social skills.
This is the mystery of gene expression, the mystery of
why a gene
mutation can be devastating in one person, only mildly
troublesome in
another, and silent in yet a third. Ed Cook comments:
"Even in this family the little girl probably has a
second gene
involved. So here is a major finding and you can't even
use it to
distinguish a child who is mildly retarded and has
classic autism from a
child who has normal intelligence and is only mildly
autistic. "
Parents of children with autism who are contemplating
having another
child and would like to check for duplications on
chromosome 15 should
tell their physicians that a possible region may be
15q11-q13, so that
the chromosomal analysis will be done with attention to
this region as
well as to the other chromosomes. Be sure to discuss
this very early on
in the pregnancy, since locating a lab that can do this
test may take time.
Other Hot Spots: Chromosomes 7 and 16
The results of the first full genome-wide screen of
autism were
published this March in Human Molecular Genetics. This
study, by the
International Molecular Genetics of Autism group,
reported linkage for
chromosomes 7 and 16. Previously, Sue Smalley of UCLA
had suggested a
connection between autism and tuberous sclerosis (TS)
that excites
people; one of the genes for TS is on 16, though it
looks as if this
gene is not going to be the same one the International
group is looking
at on 16. Nevertheless, researchers feel there is
fairly strong evidence
for an autism gene on the long arm of chromosome 7,
weaker evidence for
an autism gene on the short end of chromosome 16.
Geneticists are in the
stage of working across groups to find out which gene
hypotheses hold up
and which do not; we'll report their discoveries as
they emerge.
At this point we have no idea how many
autism-susceptibility genes
researchers will eventually identify. Assuming it takes
a combination of
5 genes to produce the disorder, there is nothing to
say that these 5
genes will be the same 5 genes in every person with
autism. There could
be 20 autism-susceptibility genes, with some people
having one
combination of 5, other people having other
combinations of 5. And of
course, it is likely that there also exist dominant
genes for autism,
genes that can cause autism acting entirely on their
own. We just don't
know yet. As Clarence Shutt, a structural biologist at
Princeton and
Executive Vice President of NAAR, says: "In science,
everything's a
mystery until it happens."
Can Chromosome 15 Lead Us to a Treatment?
The prospects for chromosome 15 leading to a biomedical
treatment for
autism-not a "cure" (or not necessarily) but a genuine
treatment-are
high. This is so because the affected region on
chromosome 15 contains
three genes that code for the neurotransmitter GABA-and
the
pharmaceuticals are already pouring buckets of money
into the GABA
system, and have been for years. GABA, or
gamma-aminobutyric acid, is
the neurotransmitter involved in anxiety. Alcohol,
anticonvulsants like
Gabapentrin and Vigabatrin (note that the drug
companies have been
helpful enough to include "gaba" in the names of these
two) and
antianxiety medications like Xanax and Valium all work
by attaching to
the GABA receptor.
GABA is an "inhibitory" neurotransmitter; it prevents
cells from firing.
Some call it the brain's "braking system." This brings
us to another
line of converging evidence: in the cerebellum, the
Purkinje cells-which
Margaret Bauman has found to be diminished in number in
the autistic
brain-release GABA.
The problem with antianxiety drugs like Valium and
Xanax, as anyone who
has taken either for sleep knows, is that although they
can work wonders
at first, the effects do not last. Shortly before last
Christmas, Cook
used a GABA medication to treat a severely behaviorally
disordered young
man with autism, and it helped. But the effect was
fleeting. As a
result, the pharmaceuticals are engaged in an ongoing
quest to develop a
GABA drug that can work over the long term- the
financial payoff would
be enormous. And the chances that one or more of this
new generation of
improved GABA drugs could be helpful to our children
are good. It is
also possible that an existing compound-a medication
that has already
been developed and tested for safety but never
marketed-could work for
autism. Drug companies cannot legally test medications
in humans without
having a biological "target," and until now it was not
known that GABA
was involved in autism. As a result, none of the GABA
medications has
ever been formally tested in people with autism; the
tests were all run
on people with anxiety disorders. A medication that
does not work for an
anxiety disorder in fact might work for autism. It's
possible.
"I think the differences between the autistic brain and
the normal brain
are relatively subtle. Of course a structural
difference can be small
but critical, but even so I don't see anything in the
neuroanatomical
studies that says autism is untreatable."
As Ed Cook says, "Now we need to think about the GABA
system as much as
we think about serotonin. " Happily, more work on GABA
is being done all
the time. The Cook team's findings on GABRB3-a gene for
one part (or
subunit) of the GABA receptor-are in press, and will
appear in May in
the American Journal of Human Genetics.
Other Paths to a Treatment
As to the question of whether the missing Purkinje
cells are the "real"
problem, as opposed to a "chemical" anomaly in the GABA
system-it is at
least theoretically possible that an autism-specific
GABA medication
could compensate for missing cells by drastically
increasing the GABA
production of the Purkinje cells that are present. This
has been done in
other brain disorders like Parkinson's disease. Or,
eventually, the
structural differences in the autistic brain may be
treated by
"neurotrophic factors" or "nerve growth
factors"-chemicals that cause
new brain cells to grow. (See related story on p. 10 in
the Summer 1997
issue of NAARRATIVE.)
But Cook believes-and here there is disagreement among
researchers-that
the structural flaws we see in the autistic brain are
not drastic enough
to be insurmountable: "There's nothing that's that
abnormal in the
brains of people with autism. If you compared a young
autistic person's
brain to the brain of his healthy 60-year old
grandfather, the
grand-child would have the better looking brain. "
[Editor's note: Men's
brains shrink with age-as do women's, though to a
lesser degree.]
"I think the differences between the autistic brain and
the normal brain
are relatively subtle. Of course, a structural
difference can be small
but critical, but even so I don't see anything in the
neuroanatomical
studies that says autism is untreatable. With the right
nerve growth
factor, you might get maturation of those structurally
different parts
of the brain. " The fact is, it is possible to treat
autism now: both
Anafranil and the SSRIs have been shown to diminish
core symptoms of the
disorder, not just behavioral "add-ons. " (see article,
p. 6.)
In Ed Cook's words: "The SSRIs are very exciting. With
these medications
we can treat something we couldn't touch just 10 years
ago. I think
there's a lot of excitement about where we can go with
autism treatment
medically, and in general I see SSRIs as giving us 5
percent of what
we'd like to be able to do. Say we get 5% every five
years-that doesn't
sound like a lot. But there are going to be a number of
kids out there
who, with just a 5% bump up in functioning, will have
their lives
significantly changed. Then you keep adding onto that,
and adding on,
until you get as far as you can go.
"Will we eventually be able to cure autism? I don't
know. Maybe there
would always be something left over; maybe you could
never give an
autistic person the fluidity of thought and movement
normal people have.
But I don't see anything about the neuroanatomy that
says we can't bring
everybody up to Temple Grandin's level, except that the
rest of us
aren't as bright as Temple.
"But we're very far away from that today. "
This is where parents come in. What we can do-what we
must do as
parents-is to push the science forward. Raise the
money, raise the
awareness, make it happen. That is our job, and our
hope.
A Note From Ed Cook: We would like to thank the NIMH,
NICHD, NINDS, the
University of Chicago Brain Research Foundation Seed
Grant Program, the
Jean Young and Walden W. Shaw Foundation, the Irving
Harris Foundation,
the Daniel X. and Mary Freedman Academic Psychiatry
Fund and the MRC in
the UK. None of what has been done in our laboratories
would be possible
without this support.
Catherine Johnson, Ph.D., co-author with John Ratey,
MD, of Shadow
Syndromes, is a member of NAAR's Board of Trustees and
the mother of two
children with autism.
1 NAARRATIVE, Number 2, Winter/Spring 1998 Newsletter
of the National
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2008-04-27 06:00:08

Your son is very young with lots of potential. Perhaps stepping back a bit
and creating shorter term goals for him might help you feel more positive.
Instead of going for normal now, choose one or two things that could make the
most difference in his life. For example, when my son was at that age, we
focused specifically on helping him to be comfortable with people and see
value in reaching out to them, once he began to move in that direction, we
focused on helping him communicate with people, then on and on. As he
progressed, we were able to add more and more goals but in the early days we
found that focusing on just one thing allowed for much better progress rather
than scattering our work. It also allows you to rejoice in the little things
more which helps give a child motivation to make the next step.
Have you read "Son-Rise: The Miracle Continues" or "A Miracle to Believe In"
by Barry Neil Kaufman? Even if you do not feel Son-Rise is an appropriate
program for your child, these books are wonderful at helping parents
understand how important their attitude is in helping their child and in how
to take things step by step. Many libraries carry them or you can order them
from www.option.org.
Gaylen

please comment

2008-04-26 22:15:18

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Fw: [NIDS] How To Cure Autism

2008-04-26 18:44:29

The author isn't a doctor. His opinion is just another opinion. Not that it
doesn't warrent further investigation. Some children may improve or not
improve, no matter what you do or don't do. My younger son is on a strict
GFCF, low sugar, Feingold diet, NIDS protocol, 30 hours ABA a week, speech,
OT, playgroup etc and it's veeery slow going. My older son with high
functioning autism is really coming along beautifully and we haven't done
anything special with him, except he will only eat green gummies, hey, maybe
that cures autism.

Re: [NIDS] Imagine Foods - Imagine Foods Discontinues Puddings and Stuffed Sa...

2008-04-26 16:34:26

In a message dated 12/4/2002 6:02:47 PM Central Standard Time,
donnaaron@... writes:
BUMMER! My son loves that pudding!
Tracy

Re: [NIDS] Question about Malt and other things

2008-04-26 11:23:23

Does malt aggrevate yeast to anyone's knowledge? Is
it a fermented product? I think my Garrett is
probably sensitive to it, and of course am removing it
from the diet (again), but I'm just curious as to what
the mechanism is that is bothering him. He is lately
seeming to be seeking sensory input, like bonking his
head on us (ouch), laughing maniacally, having some
meltdowns, fidgeting, etc. He's not on any meds,
except into the last few days of a penicillen shot
from about a week ago. Also, he had a delayed
reactivity skin test yesterday for Candida and a
couple of controls - tetanus and trichophyton (what is
trichophyton?), and it does seem that he's much worse
today. I wouldn't be surprised if someone said that
the testing would aggrevate it too. (Curiously - it's
not due to be read until tomorrow, but it is barely
reacting today - looks like a mosquito bite that has
almost gone away. Anyone know what it should look like?)

Imagine Foods - Imagine Foods Discontinues Puddings and Stuffed Sandwiches

2008-04-26 01:53:38

Hi group --
I have been searching high and low for the Imagine Foods puddings (made from
rice instead of dairy or soy) and have found that they have been discontinued:
http://www.imaginefoods.com/pages/mediacenter/051302.html

Re: [NIDS] Immune system and PST enzyme

2008-04-26 00:08:56

Hi.
Didn't someone here say recently that there is
evidence that immune dysfunction can actually disable
the PST enzyme? Does anyone know where I can locate
that info?

Re: How To Cure Autism

2008-04-25 18:11:03

Has anyone ever asked Dr. G about this? He has my daughter on iron

Re: [NIDS] How To Cure Autism

2008-04-25 14:27:24

Is this true?
Rose

Re: [NIDS] we have so many successful parents in this group please let me become a happy mother

2008-04-25 07:36:38

Have you considered samonas sound therapy or any of
the other sound therapies? Barb

we have so many successful parents in this group please let me become a happy mother

2008-04-24 21:19:04

Hi
My son is 4-1/2 , Adhd., his I.Q is 3-1/2 year old and D.Q is 18 months
We are putting so many efforts to make him normal, but unfortunately nothing
seems progressive.He is onGFCF since one year, but demands a lot for chacolates
so takes it now and then.
We gave some vitamin supplements for one year, but very little bit difference is
there
Our speech therapist cd not show any result evenafter 4 months, is it wrong with
her or our boy, do I need to go for a change, as sonu is very intelligent and if
we explain in proper way can learn in no time.
We are undergoing naturopathy treatment, which showed little bit improvement.
When we approached OT and ST school he suggested somemedicine for two months, so
that he start concentrating on responding after t hat.
Well We are having so many parents in our groups please letz share which other
things I can do for the treatment of my kid. please help me out, each suggestion
of yours may lead him to achieve amile stone.

How To Cure Autism

2008-04-24 14:54:07

http://www.geocities.com/upadhye10/index.html
Is their anyone who has done this?

Re: [NIDS] HHV-6 results

2008-04-24 12:20:59

Hi Erin.
I remember reading somewhere that Dr. G wrote about
something like that happening. He didn't sound like
he exactly likes it when that happens, and described
it as a part of the immune dysfunction. I'm sorry I
can't remember exactly where I read that... I just
know he's mentioned it before. Hang in there until
you can ask him. Sometimes Dr. G has to look a little
harder for the dysfunctions by scrutinizing labs over
a longer period of time.

$250 fee explained by office

2008-04-23 20:47:17

Ok, what they told me is that the first phone consult after the first
visit with Dr. G is $250 due to increased interpretation time for lab
results. She (Laurie) also said that we will be charged this fee
occasionally if extensive lab work is done in the future. We
specifically asked the phone consult fees at our first visit and we
were told $165 with no mention of the $250 rate. We asked if they
could give us a break since we were told something different and we
only got an hour and a half (we were told that we would get two
hours) at our first visit. (We also waited an hour and forty five
minutes in his waiting room because he was late). The answer
was "no". Oh, well. We tried. I believe that Dr. G should be well
compensated but it is very unfortunate that they are not clear with
families. This is a huge financial burden and how are we suppose to
be responsible parents and budget etc. Terri

Re: Phone consult fees

2008-04-23 19:03:17

I called today as well and was told the increase put a phone consult
at $165. They said nothing about a $250 fee. If someone finds out
what that $250 fee is for please post it so I can avoid it. Thanks

HHV-6 results

2008-04-23 14:45:50

We had the HHv-6 test run before our visit to see Dr. G in July. It
came out sky high (over 1200.) We retested this November and I just
received the results. The results were normal! His immune panel came
back normal as well. I am actually kind of worried about this because
at least before I knew that we had something to treat. Now I wonder
if the original results were even valid. Has anyone had this
happen? He has been on antivirals since July, but Dr. G led me to
believe we wouldn't see it go down this soon. Has anyone had good
results with normal lab results?
Erin

Re: [NIDS] Phone consult fees

2008-04-23 08:09:16

We used to pay the lower price until last month... then we were billed about
$165 (I don't have the bills in front of me). My husband called the office
to ask why and he was told that the price had just gone up, and that it was
the first increase in phone consultation costs in something like 5 years.
For the sky-high rates a couple of you have posted, could it be a mistake
(oh, please let it be a mistake)? It wouldn't hurt to call the office and
find out.
Caroline

Re: [NIDS] What is IMIG?

2008-04-23 04:53:42

It is intra (or is that inter) muscular immunoglobulin.

Re: [NIDS] Visit to immunologist

2008-04-22 22:39:34

Hi all.
We just had a visit with the immunologist. It seems
like it may have gone well. All I really discussed
with her was the fact that Diflucan relieved my 18 mo
old's tummy pain and my 3 yr old's fatigue, had some
really interesting speech changes on Diflucan, and
told her I simply needed to know why they couldn't
fight off yeast. (I just couldn't go into NIDS or any
other details today). She ran a bunch of labs, some
of which I recognize from the list - others I don't
know what they are at all.
My question is this. She also did a delayed reaction
skin test thingie on the boys for Candida, as well as
a couple of controls, and we're to check them in 2
days. She said something about this checking T cell
function or something, but I didn't quite catch it (2
maniacs going full speed :). It seems I've read about
this particular test in some of the NIDS papers, but I
can't find it yet. Has anyone else had this test?
What did it show?

[NIDS] Peer reviewed publications

2008-04-22 19:19:58

Jerri,
I think this is the info you are after:
From: Caroline Glover <sfglover@m...
Date: Thu Aug 29, 2002 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: [NIDS] Peer reviewed publications
Jennifer,
I found this copy in my files. I hope it's what you were looking for. Glad
to have a scientist interested!
Caroline Glover
NIDS Hypothesis statement - the text of which is exactly as it
appears on the NIDS website, and also includes the 62 citations I referred
to. I'll see if we can get this version with the citations posted.
Robert
Hi Lori
The references are below. (sorry- they're not numbered) There is another
paper that you might not have. This one is nice because it has Neurospect
scans that show the brain bloodflow abnormalities.
Cheryl
Cita/Reference:
Goldberg, M. Frontal and Temporal Lobe Dysfunction in autism and Other
Related Disorders: ADHD and OCD. Alasbimn Journal1(4): July 1999.
http://www.alasbimnjournal.cl/revistas/4/goldbergi.htm

Re: questions about ritalin and neurospects

2008-04-22 09:13:47

Hi Paula. thanks for your response (and thanks to the others
that responded- Gaylen, Carolyne, etc.)
I have a question for you. Did you get an fMRI scan done
on your child or a neurospect? I am regretting not getting
one done last spring. I am curious if anyone on the list
knows about fMRI scans and whether or not they would be as
useful as neurospect scans to a doctor like Goldberg? The
fMRI is more than a regular MRI.
One of the interesting things i have read is the conflicting
issue of what the blood flow in ADHD children is doing. :)
I read several articles that used fMRI scans and these scans
showed that ADHD children had decreased blood flow to the putamen
regions of the brain. Ritalin worked to INCREASE the blood
flow to the brain in those regions which is why these kids
responded well to ritalin. Perhaps this is why your child does
well on it verus other children? Perhaps she has a decrease in this
particular area? Who knows.
Even though this article says that ritalin INCREASED blood flow, it
still backs some of the concerns that goldberg had. If you take the
number of children who have "adhd symptoms" and are treated with ADHD
meds, there is a danger that you are treating children who don't
have real ADHD. The article said this:
[quote]
Using their new fMRI technique, Teicher and his colleagues identified
one area of the brainthe putamento which ADHD symptoms may be
closely tied. Long-believed to be important in motor function and
some aspects of attention, the putamen was shown to have diminished
blood flow in the children with ADHD. Further, the researchers found,
the more objectively hyperactive or inattentive the children were,
the greater was their impairment in blood flow to the putamen.
For the six ADHD boys who tested objectively hyperactive, the
researchers found that use of Ritalin enhanced blood flow
significantly in the putamen. However, conversely, for the five ADHD
boys who were not objectively hyperactive, Ritalin decreased blood
flow in the putamen even further.
[end quote]
Ritalin, in the other five boys, decreased the blood flow. Goldberg
stated that Ritalin can be a vasoconstrictor. It would be
fascinating to see neurospects/fMRI scans as a standard in diagnosing
ADHD/AUTISM because then you could see if there was a cause for
concern in continuing meds like ritalin.
Another interesting thing from a different article:
Medication decreased activation, particularly in the cerebellum and
basal ganglia while increasing activation in novel areas," reports
first author Julie Schweitzer, Ph.D., of Emory, referring to
the "inappropriate" brain regions called upon to help solve the task
in the unmedicated subjects. "Methylphenidate may improve working
memory by decreasing activation in competing regions that are
unnecessary for task demands and by recruiting new compensatory
regions."
BUT, a DIFFERENT ARTICLE said this:
ADHD students show decreased blood flow to the frontal lobe. The
blood flow increased following treatment with Ritalin, which tends to
improve concentration.[endquote[
I always thought they had TOO much blood flow to the frontal lobes.
and this article says that ritalin has INCREASED the flow.
All in all, quite confusing. :)
I put all the old articles on ritalin/NIDS that I found up so my
friend could view them as she debates the issues of whether or not to
continue the ritalin with her child (since her child crashes and has
langauge reduction while on it) I am still trying to find out if the
new drug Strattera presents the same concerns. I am eagerly
awaiting my appointment with Goldberg... if only I can remember what
day it is. :)
A.C.
http://members.directvinternet.com/abaantonia/ritalinandNIDS.htm

Re: [NIDS] phone consult

2008-04-21 23:53:29

I'm wondering if there is some sort of code for interpreting lab results that
can be used along with the phone consult code to at least get some of the
cost covered. I'm assuming the high fee for phone consults is to cover his
time reviewing the test results and revising his approach so it seems like
there may be some sort of way that can be used to perhaps ask for coverage.
Just writing as I think here.
The $250 charges are a bit alarming. I hope these were for extra long phone
consults or difficult cases and not the new norm. Were you guys given some
sort of fee schedule (price per specific time used, etc) so you'd know what
you would be charged up front? I plan to ask for that since there's no way
I'd want to commit to $250 a month. I can understand that on difficult
months but it doesn't make sense on an ongoing basis.
Also, for those of you whose children have been treated by Dr. G for several
years, does the limit of 4-6 weeks of meds and every 4-6 week required phone
consults continue for years or are they spread out more as the child
stablizes and responds well to the group of meds he works out?
Gaylen

Re: [NIDS] What should I do to ensure that I will get my appointment date, Amy, Singapore

2008-04-21 16:29:49

I would specifically email your request and why it is
impt to you. I did this and I did get what I needed
three months in advance. Barb

=====
Barb Katsaros
barbkatsaros@...

What is IMIG?

2008-04-21 14:52:30

What is IMIG. Is that the GamaGobulin(SP?) infusions?

Re: Need Help for Schafer newsletter

2008-04-21 14:18:43

Jerri,
I really don't understand how he came up with his interpretation of
NIDS. He has known about NIDS for a long time and I'm sure he's read
most of what is written on it. Maybe we need to find a really good
paper that explains the immune system genes. It is pretty common
knowledge that certain genes make people more susceptable.
The problem is that ANYTHING that stresses the immune system can be
the trigger. The triggers will vary depending on a persons genetic
makeup. It could be the mom's immune system prior to birth.
(infection, toxin, mom has immune/autoimmune disorder, bloodtype
mismatch, etc.) It can also be anything after birth that triggers
this. How does that trigger become the "cause". If their immune
system was normal they would be o.k. after dealing with a minor
immune stressor.
Lenny should already know that Dr. Goldberg doesn't say that
viruses "cause" this. He has always said that there is a genetic
susceptability to neuroimmune/autoimmune dysfunction. Once it's set
off then we get into the imbalance discussed in the
article "Inflammatory Processes in Mental Illness". This imbalance
is why latent viruses are able to reactivate, and the body may not
be able to suppress other things like yeast. The imbalance is also
the reason that oral tolerance is lost to certain foods.
I've posted alot of things and have others if you need them. I'm
just not sure whether it would do any good.
Cheryl

newsletter but he has given me a challange and I need your help to
the give him the best published peer-reviewed response. I have read
them and copied them but I want to give the best one and maybe the
references to the others. Do you guys have any suggestions? Thanks,
Jerri Gann

Re: Oops forgot to attach Lenny's email

2008-04-21 04:24:44

Jerri,
I don't think there's anything you can send him that will make a
difference. (Not that it wouldn't be nice to have something
recently published) I'm sure that Lenny has seen all the research
showing the immune abnormalities in autism. I don't see how there
can be doubts with the science coming out on how the brain works.
All the science backing neuroimmune in every brain, autoimmune,
immune, infectious disease/disorder there is.
Not to mention...the markers found at birth (CGRP, VIP, NT4/NT5) and
the different HLA markers found in diagnosed children that are so
clearly connected to other immune/autoimmune disorders.
Cheryl

Re: [NIDS] Inflammatory Processes in Mental Illness

2008-04-20 22:16:23

Great find!!! This article will really come in handy when introducing
someone to the concept of NIDS.
Cheryl

Re: [NIDS] the end of the protocol?

2008-04-20 11:00:24

Noelle,
I just spoke to a mom in my town (her daughter is a patient of Dr.
Goldberg). Dr. Goldberg is considering trying IMIG after Kutapressin on
that particular child.
Caroline

What should I do to ensure that I will get my appointment date, Amy, Singapore

2008-04-20 10:17:39

Hi everyone, this is Amy from singapore. My son, Jevon has got his
allergy panel bloodtest results and has done his second one, the one
on candida and Igg , I hope I have got it right? Waiting for its
results at the moment, three more to go before we fly to California.
i am now quite upset and worried about an issue. i sent in Jevon's
case history and information a month ago from now to Dr G's office to
Laurie and she told me then that I need to wait for her email reply
about 4-6 weeks time. as I am on school holidays now, (I am teaching)
and our computer at home doesn't have internet access, so I thought
it is better for me to call her again as to know about an estimated
period again that I can call her to make the appointment. Our next
school holidays will be from March 15th next year to March 23rd, and
I thought it will be best to fix an appointment on 17th March when we
reach LAX on15th March, to recover from jet lag and to have our
appointment on 17th morning , then we can be off to Disneyland . My
sister is in Pasadena on attachment to the cancer centre in Norris
hospital till April and we are putting up at her place. thus, i
really need to have my appointment during the March holidays on the
monday 17th ideally. we are flying 18 hours to reach LAX from
Singapore. I did put down the date that I wish to have last month on
the forms sent in and had spoken to Laurie about it. She told me that
there are 18 people ahead of us. So they have to pick their dates
first. At the moment, the month of March is not taken yet. When i
called again this morning, i was told to wait till the first week of
the new year to call up to choose our date. That would mean that I
would have waited for two months. Now,i am very worried about not
getting the !7th of March date that we really need. Surely, we can't
fly in in the morning and fly off again after the consultation if I
can't get the Monday morning and then given a later week day morning
of the week, which is my other fear. Care to share about your
experiences of getting the dates that you folks wish to have? I don't
have much choices when I fly in from overseas. I am hoping to have a
confirmed date soon , so that i can be on the look out for air ticket
promotion . Thanks everyone.
Amy
singapore

Re: [NIDS] What is depakote?

2008-04-19 22:25:27

What is depakote? Can you tell me about it?

Re: [NIDS] Anyone else charged $250 for phone consult?

2008-04-19 20:43:43

Ours just came in the mail on this month's statement as $250. It was our first
phone consult this past month. (We saw Dr. G on Oct 1st.)
-Carrie in AL
Reality lies beyond the horizon....

the end of the protocol?

2008-04-19 12:47:38

HI everyone. I am looking to hear what your experiences have been with Dr. G.
Of course, I will ask him my question too, but I want to hear from others as
well.
My son has made great progress with the help of DR. G.! However, we still have a
long way to go! I'm starting to realize as we are about to start the
kutapressin that we seem to have gone all routes of the NIDS protocol unless I
am forgetting something. We have tried several and finally stuck to an ssri.
The same for antifungals and antivirals. Once we do kutapressin the only thing
left is to wean him off of depakote. I am hopeful that the kutapressin will
make a difference, but I'm skeptical that it will completely bring us up to
speed. Is there anything after that? I'd really appreciate hearing all of your
experiences!
Thanks,
Noelle

Anyone else charged $250 for phone consult?

2008-04-19 02:49:00

Every response I've gotten indicates that people have been charged
$165 for phone consults. Anyone else out there charged $250? I
think we may have run over by 5 or 10 minutes at the most. I am so
sick over this! The thing that is so frustrating is that we didn't
get our full 2 hour consult (only got an hour and a half) when we
flew out to California because Dr. G was running over with other
patients. Uggh. Sorry for the venting! Terri

Phone consult fees/swallowing meds

2008-04-18 21:47:04

Regarding the phone consult fees, we pay either $145 or $165 and I can't
tell you why the amount changes.
Regarding getting medication into a child, we use pineapple juice
concentrate. I give him a small swallow on a spoon after his
Valtrex/Diflucan or I sort of 'melt' the Paxil in a tiny bit. It has no
added sugar, is a bit tart, but is still a juice concentrate. While on
vacation in Ohio I used Mocha Mix but it was so loaded with soy that he only
had it one time. Hope some of this helps.
Anne in Wisconsin
Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:36:54 -0000
From: "tlschuldt2001" <tlschuldt2001@...
Subject: Fees for phone consult?
Would anyone feel comfortable sharing with me what you have been
charged for phone consults based on the 20 minute and 40 minute
increments? Please email me privately if you wish. Thank you, Terri

Inflammatory Processes in Mental Illness

2008-04-18 21:29:16

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Oops forgot to attach Lenny's email

2008-04-18 13:47:56

Sorry i forgot to attach Lenny's email (from Schafer Newsletter). Jerri
Hi,
Perhaps you misunderstood me. I am interested in seeing any recent, new
peer-reviewed published works of Dr. Goldberg. Perhaps you can indicate
which are those of what you sent to me.
-Lenny

phone consult

2008-04-18 07:58:33

We have United Health Care and they would not cover phone consults. My husband
wrote them a letter explaining that we had been to many doctors in our area
(Chicago- Jin, where are you?) and that none of them were able to help our son.
He listed each doctor (neurologists, geneticists, etc.). He explained that
doctor G. is the only doctor who has been able to help our son and that since he
is so far away phone consults are the only way to communicate after the initial
office visit. I think my husband also included a picture of our son. That
always helps when they have to put a face with the name.
The insurance company actually agreed to cover the phone consults for 6 months.
That was great. Of course, now they refuse to pay any more so we are going to
appeal again.
It just seems so silly for them to say that if we lived in California and
walked into dr. G's office or if Dr. G was here in Chicago they'd cover it, but
since we are halfway across the country and need to communicate via phone, they
won't pay.
-Noelle

Re: [NIDS] Any recent peer-reviewed published articles?

2008-04-18 00:14:53

Hi Jeri, the e-mail from Lenny did not attach. Perhaps cutting and pasting it
into the text of the post might work.
Donna

Re: [NIDS] questions about ritalin and neurospects

2008-04-17 23:52:50

I wish I could tell you more, but I know Dr. Goldberg mentions the Ritalin
reducing blood flow to all parts of the brain in the December
videoconference from last year. He also mentions using Tenex (blood
pressure medicine) as an alternative in some cases.

Introduction&amp;?'s

2008-04-17 10:48:49

Hello & thanks for having me as part of your group. I'm Rose with a family of
three children, my youngest is 9 and struggling with autism. Having many
different kinds of therapies over the years, we've just become aware of the
likely possibility that Kristian has some sort of viral/immune conflict. When
Kristian was 5 he was making amazing progress. Then, a 24-hr virus wiped out
all of his three word sentences and language, including songs that included
"Puff the Magic Dragon". Fortunately his receptive knowledge remained in tact
and we've struggled our way back. But, each time there is a slight viral
infection we see diminished results. Kristian, of course, has many of the
problems of autism: loose stools, behavior problems, etc. I need any and all
information that you think would help us at this point. We would like to find
the NIDS protocol and have him tested locally. Is this possible? Are the
treatments varying? What kinds of successes have you had? Has anyone had a
recovery/reversal? Have the stomach problems dissipated? Does this procedure
check for heavy metals as well?
Thanks you for answering all of my questions. Feel free to e me privately or
enmasse. We'd really like to get this going quickly.
All the best~~
Rose

Any recent peer-reviewed published articles?

2008-04-17 07:39:50

Below is the email I got back from Lenny after I sent him tons of stuff.
Do any of the people on the advisory board have recently published
articles. I did read the one about rhuematoid arthirtis from Dr. Klimas
but it might be a stretch for an autism newsletter. I need to send
something to the other newsletter too. Any help would be appreciated.
Jerri Gann

questions about ritalin and neurospects

2008-04-16 21:47:09

I have more questions. :)
A common response heard on this list is that ritalin isn't
advised in all cases because it might reduce blood flow
to regions of the brain that we are trying to increase.
I myself have heard this mentioned in passing by Goldberg.
Unfortunately, I may not have been paying close enough attention
to all the details. Can anyone pass me the literature that
explains why this might be a concern? When I searched through
the archives, I just got posts that said that they heard this
but no real referencing or articles.
The reason I ask is that I have a friend whose child has
autism. He takes ritalin and is having problems on the
weekends when she doesn't give it and he is having those
late evening crashes when it wears down. The problem is that
he is also language delayed and she mentioned something about
how he isn't as expressive on it but he is so hyper that
she feels she has no choice. I mentioned the "ritalin might
cause his reduction in language because maybe it is reducing
blood flow" to her and her husband told me that it was poppycock
and if it did, ritalin would come with a warning that language
delayed children or children with autism shouldn't take it. :)
(the exchange was polite - this wasn't a confrontation and it
was brought up in the context of me researching whether or not
strattera would be an option for us)
Unfortunate for me, he issued me a challenge and I had nothing
to back it up other than a "well, that is what I heard". (I
hate it when people think "ugh..an internet mom who read
something and can't tell if it is from a reliable source")
Can someone give me something more concrete?
Another question, is it pretty much established that ADHD
children DO have too much blood flow to temporal regions of
the brain?
Are there any primary ADHD on this list? The issues we deal
with are primarily ADHD like.
Are there other studies that use actual neurospect scans on
ADHD children?
Lastly, what reasons would one have to want a neurospect scan
on an ADHD child?
Any thoughts or resources would be appreciated.
Many thanks
AC

Phone consults

2008-04-16 18:45:05

Just wanted to throw in 2 cents on this topic...I worked for PacifiCare of CA
for several years before my son was born, and here in California, phone
consultations are a standard exclusion across the board, for every company,
including Blue Cross/Blue Shield. There are even laws, which vary from state to
state, about what insurance companies/HMO's must cover and what they can not!
You can certainly try to appeal, but when something is actually written into the
Evidence of Coverage as an exclusion, short of dragging the insurance company
into court (and I saw it happen twice while I was there - one of the plaintiffs
lost, one of them won), getting something turned around is almost impossible. I
live near Dr. G's office and can see him in person, but he's not on our plan and
must pay out of pocket for office visits, so I know the expense you're dealing
with. Good luck to everyone!
Donna

Re: [NIDS] blood drawn

2008-04-16 12:58:46

My son was ill when he had his first blood work done and they said to go ahead
and do it-- but certain tests had to be deferred until he was well. I would
call Dr. Goldberg's office and ask about this. They may need something that can
only be done when Alex is well.
Donna

RE: [NIDS] For Cheryl

2008-04-16 07:45:13

FYI the NIDS Hypothesis was published by Lenny Schafer in the FEAT
newsletter (now the Schafer report)
November 2001 - so a year ago. The bibliography was not published with it.
Shame Jerri your letter was so badly chopped up and Lenny's response was I
thought so dismissive.
RW

blood drawn

2008-04-16 04:42:17

Our son Alex has been sick the last couple of days - sore throat/cold.
I was planning on taking him to get blood drawn on Tuesday so the
results would be back when I talk to Dr. G. next week. I remember when
I was donating blood being told not to do it if you have a cold because
it will take longer to get over the cold. Does anyone know if the same
thing applies for blood tests? Plus he's feeling miserable - I hate to
aggrevate him even further by poking him, yet the results are important
for the phone consult. Any thoughts?
Paulette

Re: [NIDS] questions before appointment

2008-04-15 16:17:06

Hi Shona,
Our appointment was over an hour and we did it in the waiting room which was
empty with room to run. We didn't do the neurospect, we may in the future if
it is warrented.
For protein we use bean pasta that is spiral shaped, also chick peas tossed
in oil and baked until they are crispy, and also nut butters. You can also
make bread with bean flour. If your daughter doesn't like meat you can
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